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  Mountainous Evidence

  by Francois in

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  nice to be back, thanks.. just before i left on about a ten day vacation a couple of weeks ago, there was a guy, rex, i think who stated in a post that there was "mountainous evidence you could use in a court of law" proving the resurrection of jesus.. i, and others i suspect, took exception to that statement.

  and i challenged him to produce some of that mountain.

  now, prior to my departure i hadn't seen even so much as one grain of sand from that mountain.

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  Rex B13

  >You mean to say that your butt isn't?

  TR

  E-mail me and I will tell you about eternal security. Once you are saved by grace you cannot fall out of grace. That's right, you can know just where you are going when you die. No fear!
  Rex
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  Alan Does the Twist

  by Rex B13 in

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  it never ceases to amaze me seeing how alan's various toadies here fawn over his posts and kiss his behind up to the brown spot.

  evidence of this is in the responses to his post about ot & nt morality.. alan uses his own lack of context to twist scripture as well as any jw writer.

  a case in point is his notion that adultery and fornication are primarily related to an economic loss (with a woman as property) and not a violation of a clear moral code.

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  Maximus,
  You have JW rationalism imbedded in your brain.
  1) You cannot have all of the answers to Biblical theology. Mysteries can and do exist and this is partly where faith comes in. Rationalists think they can reason out every mystery and nuance of scripture. Salvation does not require this at all!
  2) God can only answer why He uses different methods on humanity. My speculation is that He is demonstrating to us that we cannot hope to live as His creation by our own means. He has a plan that was set in eternity, before time even existed (predestination).
  3) Each dispensation ends in failure and judgement of mankind. Man continuously falls well short of the mark (free will). This is indeed a demonstration of how far we are from God and why we need to accept His free offer of salvation by grace through faith alone.
  4) Our Lord, Jesus recognized this dispensational truth when he addressed the syngogue in Luke 14.16-20, closing the scroll of Isaiah 61, 1,2 in mid-sentence, "This day is the scripture fulfilled in your ears". He left out the last clause of 61.2 (and the day of vengeance of our God) because he knew that it would not be fulfilled until His second coming. He made a dispensational distinction right there! There is no break in the text yet history shows that we have a two thousand year dispensation to prove it exists, the Church Age.

  Here are the guidelines for interpreting scripture:
  1) Truth that belongs to one dispensation period must not be read into another. We must always ascertain where we are in history when reading a portion of the Bible.
  2) Truth that belongs to a past dispensation must not be used to interpret the present dispensation. To do so puts us under law,as the various heretical groups do time after time.
  3) The reverse of the second rule is also applied.
  4) Truth that belongs to the future must not be applied to the present. To put the church into the tribulation period is a misapplication of scripture. Israel is again the focus of God's efforts during that period.
  5) Truth that belongs to one part of the future must not be read into another part. The judgement seat of Christ, the judgeemnt of all the nations and the judgement of the "White Throne" are all separate judgements.

  This lack of knowledge (Knowing enough to get in trouble but not enough to figure a way out) is why such groups like the RCC, JWs, Mormons, Seventh Day Adventists, Oneness Pentecostals exist.
  Distortions of Biblical truth are exactly what this forum promotes.
  Rex
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  Mountainous Evidence

  by Francois in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  nice to be back, thanks.. just before i left on about a ten day vacation a couple of weeks ago, there was a guy, rex, i think who stated in a post that there was "mountainous evidence you could use in a court of law" proving the resurrection of jesus.. i, and others i suspect, took exception to that statement.

  and i challenged him to produce some of that mountain.

  now, prior to my departure i hadn't seen even so much as one grain of sand from that mountain.

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  Since you have an "inquiring mind", here is some more meat to chew on.
  Christianity: a Witness of History......J.N. Anderson
  the New Testament Documents: Are They Reliable?......F.F. Bruce
  Evidence That Demands a Verdict........Josh McDowell
  History and Christianity........John Montgomery
  Basic Christianity..........John Stott
  Bible Explorer's Guide......John Phillips
  Mere Christianity.........C.S. Lewis
  Rex
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  Mountainous Evidence

  by Francois in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  nice to be back, thanks.. just before i left on about a ten day vacation a couple of weeks ago, there was a guy, rex, i think who stated in a post that there was "mountainous evidence you could use in a court of law" proving the resurrection of jesus.. i, and others i suspect, took exception to that statement.

  and i challenged him to produce some of that mountain.

  now, prior to my departure i hadn't seen even so much as one grain of sand from that mountain.

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  Rex B13

  http://www.leaderu.com/everystudent/easter/articles/josh2.html

  Here is a small start, since you persist in whining. You really need to read two of his books, "Evidence that Demands a Verdict" 1 & 2.
  Pick them up at your local library and when you are done with them I will give you some more.
  If you think that I am going to waste my time with some long-winded answer that you will just misrepresent and twist you need to forget that. Its YOUR butt on the line, not mine.
  Rex
  P.S. My post reflects what I find in your attitude and 'pearls before swine' is apropo.
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  Mountainous Evidence

  by Francois in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  nice to be back, thanks.. just before i left on about a ten day vacation a couple of weeks ago, there was a guy, rex, i think who stated in a post that there was "mountainous evidence you could use in a court of law" proving the resurrection of jesus.. i, and others i suspect, took exception to that statement.

  and i challenged him to produce some of that mountain.

  now, prior to my departure i hadn't seen even so much as one grain of sand from that mountain.

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  Rex B13

  Hi Francoise,
  I gave you a list of books to read. Do your own research if you care about eternity. I save my best for people who are not on the highway to hell.
  God calls whom He calls.
  Rex
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  Alan Does the Twist

  by Rex B13 in

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  it never ceases to amaze me seeing how alan's various toadies here fawn over his posts and kiss his behind up to the brown spot.

  evidence of this is in the responses to his post about ot & nt morality.. alan uses his own lack of context to twist scripture as well as any jw writer.

  a case in point is his notion that adultery and fornication are primarily related to an economic loss (with a woman as property) and not a violation of a clear moral code.

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  Hi Al Baby,
  You seem to lack any class at all.....anymore. Does it thrill you to be as vulgar as possible now that you have no moderators to watch over you? Hey, would you let your DAUGHTER read you post or how about your mother?
  I also see that the rest of your toadies followed you over. Where did you pick up that new one, Troglodite? LOL
  Rex
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  Alan Does the Twist

  by Rex B13 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it never ceases to amaze me seeing how alan's various toadies here fawn over his posts and kiss his behind up to the brown spot.

  evidence of this is in the responses to his post about ot & nt morality.. alan uses his own lack of context to twist scripture as well as any jw writer.

  a case in point is his notion that adultery and fornication are primarily related to an economic loss (with a woman as property) and not a violation of a clear moral code.

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  Rex B13

  The books:
  "Dispensational Theology"
  "Bible Explorer's Guide"
  Dr. John Phillips presently teaches at Moody or one of the other Southern Baptist Seminaries.

  BTW, for the ying-yang above, I am NOT a fan of the Watchtower nor Alan F.
  Rex
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  Alan Does the Twist

  by Rex B13 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it never ceases to amaze me seeing how alan's various toadies here fawn over his posts and kiss his behind up to the brown spot.

  evidence of this is in the responses to his post about ot & nt morality.. alan uses his own lack of context to twist scripture as well as any jw writer.

  a case in point is his notion that adultery and fornication are primarily related to an economic loss (with a woman as property) and not a violation of a clear moral code.

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  It never ceases to amaze me seeing how Alan's various toadies here fawn over his posts and kiss his behind up to the brown spot. Evidence of this is in the responses to his post about OT & NT morality.
  Alan uses his own lack of context to twist scripture as well as any JW writer. A case in point is his notion that adultery and fornication are primarily related to an economic loss (with a woman as property) and not a violation of a clear moral code. Alan has provided his own subtle twist by maximizing the patriarchal arrangement and minimizing the moral code of that time period.
  He ignores the fact that God set apart His chosen people from the nations to be holier than those nations and to bring about the advent of the messiah.
  Have their been changes in God's revelation of Himself to mankind? Sure, but that is not any inconsistency on God's part. Anyone who has studied theology can tell you that there are dispensation periods within scripture where God dealt with humanity in a consistent manner unique to each time period.
  1) The Age of Innocence: Creation to the fall of man.
  2) The Age of Conscience: The Fall to the Flood.
  3) The Age of Human Government: The Flood to the Tower of Babel.
  4) The Patriarchal Age: Abraham to the bondage in Egypt.
  5) The Age of the Mosaic Law: Moses to Christ.
  6) The Church Age: Pentecost to the Rapture.
  7) The Judgement Age: The Rapture to the Return of Christ.
  8) The Millenial Age: Armageddon to the 'White Throne Judgement'.
  9) The Eternal State: Eternity of God with mankind.
  Now, the various dispensations reflect the previous period to some degree but each one (in hindsight or foresight) shows an obvious change in the way God dealt (or deals) with mankind.
  Let's look at some Levitical law to show how God dealt with Israel during the Covenant dispensation:

  NIV Leviticus 20:10-24
  10. "`If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.
  11. "`If a man sleeps with his father's wife, he has dishonored his father. Both the man and the woman must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

  The word here is "dishonored', which is a term related to 'holiness' and 'integrity'. This is not an economic term! If this was purely economic why are the man and woman BOTH given the same punishment?
  
  12. "`If a man sleeps with his daughter-in-law, both of them must be put to death. What they have done is a perversion; their blood will be on their own heads.
  13. "`If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

  'Perversion' and 'detestable' are terms used when discussing morality, not economics! By Alan's reasoning, what the 'man does with another man' should not bring about ANY punishment! Where is the violation of 'property rights'?
  
  14. "`If a man marries both a woman and her mother, it is wicked. Both he and they must be burned in the fire, so that no wickedness will be among you.
  15. "`If a man has sexual relations with an animal, he must be put to death, and you must kill the animal.

  'Wickedness' is a moral term, not a economic one!
  Why kill the animal? This is an act that God considers to be so detestable that it has ruined both the man and the animal. It is an act against the very nature of God's requirement that man needs to be holy before his God.
  
  16. "`If a woman approaches an animal to have sexual relations with it, kill both the woman and the animal. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
  17. "`If a man marries his sister, the daughter of either his father or his mother, and they have sexual relations, it is a disgrace. They must be cut off before the eyes of their people. He has dishonored his sister and will be held responsible.

  The sister is 'dishonored' not 'a economic loss'! He has disgraced her, another moral term! He may bring about inbred children that would be a heartache to all concerned.
  
  18. "`If a man lies with a woman during her monthly period and has sexual relations with her, he has exposed the source of her flow, and she has also uncovered it. Both of them must be cut off from their people.
  19. "`Do not have sexual relations with the sister of either your mother or your father, for that would dishonor a close relative; both of you would be held responsible.
  20. "`If a man sleeps with his aunt, he has dishonored his uncle. They will be held responsible; they will die childless.
  21. "`If a man marries his brother's wife, it is an act of impurity; he has dishonored his brother. They will be childless.

  Here is granted the idea that a wife was the 'property' of the husband. However, you can clearly see the overriding moral reasoning in the laws.
  Other than the natural health/mutation considerations this is a clear cut set of moral laws that the ancient Israelites were to keep, why is this?
  
  22. "`Keep all my decrees and laws and follow them, so that the land where I am bringing you to live may not vomit you out.
  23. You must not live according to the customs of the nations I am going to drive out before you. Because they did all these things, I abhorred them.

  God 'abhorred' the nations for their detestable lifestyles and if His people did not set themselves to a higher standard they would face His wrath, just like the nations experienced.
  
  24. But I said to you, "You will possess their land; I will give it to you as an inheritance, a land flowing with milk and honey." I am the LORD your God, who has set you apart from the nations.

  So the Israelites were to be different than the heathen nations who previously occupied the land. Those had been 'vomited out' and the Israelites would face the same thing if they did not endeavor to be holy.
  Is that clear enough for you Al Baby?

  What did Jesus have to say about this subject?
  NIV Matthew 19:4-11
  4. "Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator `made them male and female,'
  5. and said, `For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh' ?
  6. So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."
  7. "Why then," they asked, "did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?"
  8. Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning.

  Here is the recognition of a dispensation period by our Lord Himself.
  
  9. I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery."
  10. The disciples said to him, "If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry."

  And He now shows us the further revelation of God's view of adultery!

  Below we have an answer to LDH's (Lisa?) usual ridiculous assertions about our Lord's commands (She says he only gave us two laws to follow):

  NIV Matthew 5:27-32
  27. "You have heard that it was said, `Do not commit adultery.'
  28. But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
  29. If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.
  30. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.
  31. "It has been said, `Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.'
  32. But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery.

  NIV Matthew 15:18-19
  18 But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man `unclean.'
  19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander.

  Maybe you can look and see what he told the Samaritan woman at the well of Jacob.
  Is that clear enough for you, Lisa?
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  funny k.h experience last night!!

  by jazz in

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  my wife and i have not been attending the meetings on a regular basis do to her failing health and man did i get the cold shoulder from people last night even a brother who was so nice when he was a lowly publisher or m.s who is now an elder gave me the cold shoulder when i asked him for the lapel cards and holders for the convention he kept saying you should have gotten them from your book study.

  i think he said it five times so another elder came over to convince him to finally give me the cards its a shame because this same brother turns cartwheels and is all smiles when he comes across us in the street i guess having some type of authority does change you i dont even want to talk to him again.

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  Your post brings to mind an experience I had. It happened when I was df and had been back groveling at meetings for many months. Everyone knew I was soon to be reinstated. I happened to walk right past one of the dorky dubs (a guy I knew well) in a store and he just ignored my like I was dead. Not even any other dorks around to cause problems and this guy was doing his duty.
  The real kicker is he was not even good at being a dub. He was about an hour a month to stay active dub.
  Rex
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  Sexual Morality in OT & NT

  by AlanF in

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  sexual morality in the old testament differs from that in the new testament .

  conservative christians like the jehovah's witnesses often claim that, like the new testament, the old testament forbids all sexual relations outside marriage, including relations between unmarried people.

  that is not quite true.

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  Hi Al Baby,
  Have you ever studied dispensational theology? Are you aware that there are different periods of time where God dealt (and deals) with mankind?
  Are you also aware of the various prophibitions in the New Testament, which are our ultimate guideline for today's moral behavior? Your whole post is moot. All of that typing for nothing.
  Have a nice day,
  Rex